1 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:16,750 [Music] 2 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:20,210 welcome to shattered reality with your 3 00:00:28,070 --> 00:00:25,050 host a valentine and persia prepare to 4 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:28,080 had a paradigm shifted in the truths 5 00:00:37,549 --> 00:00:34,130 questioned and now shattered realities 6 00:00:41,209 --> 00:00:37,559 hey Kate Hey crucia here we are back 7 00:00:44,569 --> 00:00:41,219 again after a long sabbatical the entire 8 00:00:46,490 --> 00:00:44,579 month of August we were off and I was 9 00:00:49,250 --> 00:00:46,500 lucky enough to go down to the monroe 10 00:00:54,500 --> 00:00:49,260 institute okay where I looked at some of 11 00:00:59,029 --> 00:00:54,510 my past lives in any case let us slate 12 00:01:04,460 --> 00:00:59,039 here today is sep tember 13th 2016 and 13 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:04,470 this is podcast number 36 okay and we 14 00:01:10,789 --> 00:01:07,860 really have a very very interesting and 15 00:01:13,010 --> 00:01:10,799 unusual lady here with us today and 16 00:01:16,820 --> 00:01:13,020 lucky to ever was yes and she's very 17 00:01:20,060 --> 00:01:16,830 kind and generous and forthcoming it's 18 00:01:24,380 --> 00:01:20,070 Lisette Larkins she is a prolific author 19 00:01:29,620 --> 00:01:24,390 and experiencer her latest book is above 20 00:01:33,170 --> 00:01:29,630 and beyond the incredible true story of 21 00:01:35,870 --> 00:01:33,180 extraterrestrial contact so Lisette is a 22 00:01:40,190 --> 00:01:35,880 long term experiencer of the paranormal 23 00:01:43,700 --> 00:01:40,200 and of contact with beings not currently 24 00:01:48,020 --> 00:01:43,710 incarnated as humans who have identified 25 00:01:50,510 --> 00:01:48,030 to her as aliens so Lee said we're so 26 00:01:54,590 --> 00:01:50,520 happy to have you on welcome thank you 27 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:54,600 for having me always a pleasure I read 28 00:01:58,940 --> 00:01:56,490 through you some of your books in 29 00:02:01,910 --> 00:01:58,950 through some of your videos and they 30 00:02:06,469 --> 00:02:01,920 were fascinating you are a little bit 31 00:02:09,979 --> 00:02:06,479 outside the house well you can't like 32 00:02:12,589 --> 00:02:09,989 yeah yeah it's not the average like 33 00:02:13,350 --> 00:02:12,599 experience or abductee type story so it 34 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:13,360 was really sort of 35 00:02:19,230 --> 00:02:15,010 interesting for us because we hear a lot 36 00:02:24,210 --> 00:02:19,240 of the sort of live action yeah well you 37 00:02:25,890 --> 00:02:24,220 can't really call them humdrum no but 38 00:02:30,450 --> 00:02:25,900 they certainly were different from yours 39 00:02:32,220 --> 00:02:30,460 and I was sort of fascinating it it's 40 00:02:34,830 --> 00:02:32,230 hard enough to come forth from stories 41 00:02:38,910 --> 00:02:34,840 about abduction but to come forth with 42 00:02:41,190 --> 00:02:38,920 stories of this nature that are atypical 43 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:41,200 is even more difficult so you're quite 44 00:02:46,350 --> 00:02:44,170 courageous yeah and and I just just to 45 00:02:49,370 --> 00:02:46,360 make one comment here is that we 46 00:02:52,590 --> 00:02:49,380 generally have three categories of 47 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:52,600 people who have had this type of 48 00:03:00,060 --> 00:02:56,290 experience they can be called abductees 49 00:03:04,110 --> 00:03:00,070 they can be called experiencers or they 50 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:04,120 can be called oh my gosh I just it but 51 00:03:11,940 --> 00:03:08,770 it's so it all senior moment oh ok put 52 00:03:15,990 --> 00:03:11,950 little third kind are the the people 53 00:03:18,570 --> 00:03:16,000 from back in the 50s and early 60s sees 54 00:03:21,690 --> 00:03:18,580 that contact these that's right and I 55 00:03:24,390 --> 00:03:21,700 just choose to use the word experience 56 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:24,400 or myself you know having had some of 57 00:03:29,490 --> 00:03:26,170 those because everything to it 58 00:03:32,699 --> 00:03:29,500 encompasses the other two categories as 59 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:32,709 well what do you prefer Lee said well in 60 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:35,910 my books I to use the word experiencer 61 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:39,370 good good and it's funny because really 62 00:03:43,580 --> 00:03:41,290 that's what we're all doing even in this 63 00:03:46,890 --> 00:03:43,590 realm which is like you know 64 00:03:48,660 --> 00:03:46,900 experiencing all kinds of stuff on the 65 00:03:50,070 --> 00:03:48,670 on the kind of the big roller coaster 66 00:03:52,259 --> 00:03:50,080 life were on the upswing or the 67 00:03:57,090 --> 00:03:52,269 downswing or but they do really or the 68 00:04:01,710 --> 00:03:57,100 ride is wild yes it is and i was i was 69 00:04:05,610 --> 00:04:01,720 very interested in your book that you 70 00:04:08,190 --> 00:04:05,620 had mentioned you know kind of looking 71 00:04:11,069 --> 00:04:08,200 to Eckart ola a little bit because i am 72 00:04:13,979 --> 00:04:11,079 also a fan of his and saw him over the 73 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:13,989 summer but before we get too far afield 74 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:17,850 perhaps you could lay out basically 75 00:04:23,690 --> 00:04:20,890 parts of your story that you think are a 76 00:04:26,740 --> 00:04:23,700 very pertinent and necessary for our 77 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:26,750 listeners to understand and 78 00:04:32,659 --> 00:04:29,910 also because at the end of of our 79 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:32,669 interview with you we are going to be 80 00:04:39,950 --> 00:04:36,090 conducting a contest with our listeners 81 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:39,960 for a set of your books so let us know 82 00:04:45,770 --> 00:04:42,810 just give us a little backdrop on what 83 00:04:48,110 --> 00:04:45,780 happened with you here well my first 84 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:48,120 kind of strange experience happened when 85 00:04:54,170 --> 00:04:52,650 I was about seven and I was just and I 86 00:04:56,420 --> 00:04:54,180 really don't remember too much about it 87 00:04:58,909 --> 00:04:56,430 other than I had some kind of 88 00:05:01,129 --> 00:04:58,919 interesting encounter as a child with 89 00:05:04,250 --> 00:05:01,139 some kind of different dimension or 90 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:04,260 interdimensional being and then I kind 91 00:05:10,159 --> 00:05:06,690 of put it out of my memory and forgot 92 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:10,169 all about it for almost you know for 93 00:05:15,140 --> 00:05:12,450 decades really and then it wasn't until 94 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:15,150 twenty something years later when I was 95 00:05:21,050 --> 00:05:17,910 a young mother with a young infant and I 96 00:05:23,779 --> 00:05:21,060 was married at the time and I was really 97 00:05:25,909 --> 00:05:23,789 feeling a lot of stress I had difficulty 98 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:25,919 with my marriage my husband and I were 99 00:05:30,860 --> 00:05:28,289 struggling with lots of different issues 100 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:30,870 with respect to our relatively new 101 00:05:35,719 --> 00:05:32,910 marriage and having a young child down 102 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:35,729 the house and you know all the stressors 103 00:05:43,270 --> 00:05:41,010 of that and I really started to seek 104 00:05:48,830 --> 00:05:43,280 something else I was seeking answers 105 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:48,840 internally I hadn't yet started to read 106 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:52,530 about these kinds of experiences my 107 00:05:58,430 --> 00:05:55,530 search at the time was just playful I 108 00:06:00,589 --> 00:05:58,440 just was aware enough to know that I 109 00:06:02,390 --> 00:06:00,599 needed some kind of a some kind of help 110 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:02,400 because I knew that if the relationship 111 00:06:08,390 --> 00:06:04,650 continued like we were we probably would 112 00:06:10,550 --> 00:06:08,400 be separating and you know I generally 113 00:06:12,529 --> 00:06:10,560 didn't want that for my son now as it 114 00:06:15,710 --> 00:06:12,539 turned out we did end up separating as 115 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:15,720 it you know actually at the point was 116 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:17,490 that i was at a pool a place where i was 117 00:06:22,850 --> 00:06:20,490 prayerful i was looking searching 118 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:22,860 internally and so in one of these nights 119 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:25,110 in which my husband during which my 120 00:06:30,740 --> 00:06:27,650 husband was out of town traveling I 121 00:06:32,690 --> 00:06:30,750 again kind of gone to bed my son was now 122 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:32,700 asleep and I was in one of those 123 00:06:36,530 --> 00:06:35,130 prayerful modes I just closed the book 124 00:06:39,470 --> 00:06:36,540 that I was reading and I would 125 00:06:42,530 --> 00:06:39,480 contemplating you know what what was the 126 00:06:45,650 --> 00:06:42,540 answer to my dilemma and in that kind of 127 00:06:48,110 --> 00:06:45,660 a prayerful state looking searching this 128 00:06:49,910 --> 00:06:48,120 kind of cone of light light burst 129 00:06:53,090 --> 00:06:49,920 through the ceiling envelops me 130 00:06:56,210 --> 00:06:53,100 completely and it was it was accompanied 131 00:07:00,560 --> 00:06:56,220 by all kinds of phenomena that means all 132 00:07:03,950 --> 00:07:00,570 my senses were blasted with kind of this 133 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:03,960 visceral life shaking moment including 134 00:07:09,740 --> 00:07:07,410 an electromagnetic kind of feeling like 135 00:07:12,890 --> 00:07:09,750 I was being electrocuted electromagnetic 136 00:07:14,660 --> 00:07:12,900 speaking also there was a coat of white 137 00:07:17,450 --> 00:07:14,670 light so I felt blinded by this 138 00:07:20,090 --> 00:07:17,460 intensity of light and I could hear this 139 00:07:22,130 --> 00:07:20,100 loud loud almost the founder of a 140 00:07:24,380 --> 00:07:22,140 locomotive going through my bedroom it 141 00:07:26,150 --> 00:07:24,390 was almost deafening and I didn't know 142 00:07:28,580 --> 00:07:26,160 what was happening I had no idea what 143 00:07:31,420 --> 00:07:28,590 was happening and that started me on 144 00:07:33,830 --> 00:07:31,430 this long long journey beginning to 145 00:07:35,870 --> 00:07:33,840 recognize but it's infused to recognize 146 00:07:40,610 --> 00:07:35,880 what it was but beginning to unravel 147 00:07:42,850 --> 00:07:40,620 this whole adventure of what would 148 00:07:46,670 --> 00:07:42,860 happen if a human being could actually 149 00:07:48,710 --> 00:07:46,680 tap into interdimensional experiences 150 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:48,720 and these beings they don't you know 151 00:07:56,450 --> 00:07:52,010 live on planet earth like we do they 152 00:07:58,220 --> 00:07:56,460 exist in a some other dimension in a way 153 00:08:00,860 --> 00:07:58,230 that I don't understand or comprehend 154 00:08:04,430 --> 00:08:00,870 from a scientific standpoint but I 155 00:08:06,290 --> 00:08:04,440 started having these encounters for a 156 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:06,300 couple years I really didn't know I had 157 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:07,770 no visual I didn't really know what was 158 00:08:14,540 --> 00:08:10,770 happening other than I was spontaneously 159 00:08:17,630 --> 00:08:14,550 starting to have kind of new abilities I 160 00:08:19,820 --> 00:08:17,640 started to become the psychic in some 161 00:08:23,660 --> 00:08:19,830 way I started to have second sight I 162 00:08:26,750 --> 00:08:23,670 started to be able to to see snippets of 163 00:08:28,490 --> 00:08:26,760 future events and so but these were 164 00:08:31,370 --> 00:08:28,500 upsetting to me at the time I wasn't 165 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:31,380 they didn't encourage me I was upset 166 00:08:35,659 --> 00:08:33,930 because things were happening you know 167 00:08:38,540 --> 00:08:35,669 things were going bump in the night so 168 00:08:40,300 --> 00:08:38,550 to speak and yet as the encounters would 169 00:08:43,490 --> 00:08:40,310 begin like they did that first night 170 00:08:45,740 --> 00:08:43,500 with the barrages phenomena I would 171 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:45,750 start to fall asleep so it was years 172 00:08:50,990 --> 00:08:48,690 before I stopped falling asleep and 173 00:08:54,380 --> 00:08:51,000 remained awake and then I saw really 174 00:08:59,990 --> 00:08:54,390 what was happening well it's it's the 175 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:00,000 thing that drew me to your work some 176 00:09:08,270 --> 00:09:03,690 years ago when I was looking for answers 177 00:09:13,250 --> 00:09:08,280 and I found also Bob Monroe's work the 178 00:09:15,650 --> 00:09:13,260 the situation of having the electrical 179 00:09:19,870 --> 00:09:15,660 current running through your body and 180 00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:19,880 being paralyzed which is something that 181 00:09:27,530 --> 00:09:23,990 has happened to me numerous times 182 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:27,540 sometimes it seems like there's et 183 00:09:33,890 --> 00:09:29,970 contact sometimes there seems as though 184 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:33,900 there are other sorts of contact but I 185 00:09:41,990 --> 00:09:38,330 certainly shared that terrifying 186 00:09:44,180 --> 00:09:42,000 experience of being paralyzed and having 187 00:09:47,900 --> 00:09:44,190 the electrical current running through 188 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:47,910 my body particularly coming in through 189 00:09:55,430 --> 00:09:52,050 the the upper lip the nose and the third 190 00:09:58,510 --> 00:09:55,440 eye area so much so and so painful and 191 00:10:01,760 --> 00:09:58,520 so frightening so I was very much 192 00:10:04,610 --> 00:10:01,770 attracted to your work because you 193 00:10:06,260 --> 00:10:04,620 described something which was not the 194 00:10:09,770 --> 00:10:06,270 same because I didn't have the light 195 00:10:12,950 --> 00:10:09,780 show but quite similar to what I had 196 00:10:15,290 --> 00:10:12,960 experienced and also similar to what Bob 197 00:10:18,620 --> 00:10:15,300 Monroe had experienced which drew me 198 00:10:22,610 --> 00:10:18,630 initially down to Virginia to the monroe 199 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:22,620 institute and it was there that someone 200 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:25,730 acquainted me with your books Oh 201 00:10:30,770 --> 00:10:28,890 beautiful okay i guess i actually have 202 00:10:33,860 --> 00:10:30,780 taught classes there before and i love 203 00:10:36,829 --> 00:10:33,870 and love both the property you know the 204 00:10:39,020 --> 00:10:36,839 actual location and the people there 205 00:10:41,660 --> 00:10:39,030 what a wonderful opportunity to 206 00:10:47,630 --> 00:10:41,670 experience that I love that myself that 207 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:47,640 place so so after after that after you 208 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:50,330 know you began to have these experiences 209 00:10:58,670 --> 00:10:54,770 than other events unfolded including 210 00:11:01,490 --> 00:10:58,680 your experience worrying or being 211 00:11:02,329 --> 00:11:01,500 concerned or having in a certain event 212 00:11:05,150 --> 00:11:02,339 occur 213 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:05,160 her that made you worried about your 214 00:11:12,980 --> 00:11:10,050 sanity well I just reject really obvious 215 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:12,990 I am sure some of the listeners are some 216 00:11:18,439 --> 00:11:15,809 of the not some of the skeptics let me 217 00:11:20,869 --> 00:11:18,449 say are going to ask it sounds as if 218 00:11:23,449 --> 00:11:20,879 this type of reaction could be due to a 219 00:11:25,699 --> 00:11:23,459 medical condition of some sort as well 220 00:11:27,739 --> 00:11:25,709 and I think you looked into all that 221 00:11:31,100 --> 00:11:27,749 didn't you from what I understand in 222 00:11:34,999 --> 00:11:31,110 your books yes yes so as my relationship 223 00:11:37,220 --> 00:11:35,009 worsened with my best and we agreed I 224 00:11:38,540 --> 00:11:37,230 should get some help because well I 225 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:38,550 wasn't telling him everything that was 226 00:11:43,579 --> 00:11:40,170 happening I was telling him enough that 227 00:11:45,439 --> 00:11:43,589 he was alarmed so perhaps because in 228 00:11:48,259 --> 00:11:45,449 part because she was a ex military 229 00:11:51,049 --> 00:11:48,269 officer in the way that he thought you 230 00:11:52,850 --> 00:11:51,059 know it's black or white it's going to 231 00:11:56,269 --> 00:11:52,860 look something like we know that it's 232 00:11:58,970 --> 00:11:56,279 probably something crazy and so we 233 00:12:01,579 --> 00:11:58,980 decided that he encouraged me to and 234 00:12:04,069 --> 00:12:01,589 took me to a psychiatric hospital where 235 00:12:06,739 --> 00:12:04,079 I was admitted and they started doing 236 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:06,749 extensive testing now at that time I 237 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:08,490 still didn't really know what was 238 00:12:12,499 --> 00:12:10,290 happening to me and I was a model 239 00:12:14,419 --> 00:12:12,509 patient although at that Pope you know 240 00:12:16,549 --> 00:12:14,429 there was no medication that was 241 00:12:19,309 --> 00:12:16,559 prescribed I was there for three weeks 242 00:12:21,139 --> 00:12:19,319 and it was very traumatizing because it 243 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:21,149 was there that men I lost custody of my 244 00:12:28,429 --> 00:12:25,410 child when I got out three weeks later 245 00:12:30,110 --> 00:12:28,439 that's when I started I really decided I 246 00:12:33,049 --> 00:12:30,120 had to rebuild my life because when I 247 00:12:36,139 --> 00:12:33,059 got out three weeks later with you know 248 00:12:37,780 --> 00:12:36,149 I had lost custody I was now my husband 249 00:12:40,519 --> 00:12:37,790 my then husband had filed for divorce 250 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:40,529 you know checking account closed I 251 00:12:46,220 --> 00:12:43,290 really had hit a bottom so i started in 252 00:12:48,319 --> 00:12:46,230 earnest to find answers and it one of 253 00:12:51,739 --> 00:12:48,329 those one of the things that i was 254 00:12:53,419 --> 00:12:51,749 seeking was being willing and curtain 255 00:12:55,879 --> 00:12:53,429 and wanting the courage to be able to 256 00:12:58,309 --> 00:12:55,889 face if I did have an underlying mental 257 00:13:00,410 --> 00:12:58,319 disorder because I wanted to get tested 258 00:13:04,369 --> 00:13:00,420 in my child but I really didn't want him 259 00:13:07,489 --> 00:13:04,379 raised by me if I was crazy so I felt it 260 00:13:09,860 --> 00:13:07,499 was something that I had to do so I was 261 00:13:12,189 --> 00:13:09,870 lucky I really searched until I found a 262 00:13:14,770 --> 00:13:12,199 wonderful therapist and I started on a 263 00:13:19,850 --> 00:13:14,780 60-year intensive 264 00:13:21,700 --> 00:13:19,860 process of being both analyzed by an 265 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:21,710 individual and a team of clinicians 266 00:13:26,810 --> 00:13:23,850 including individual therapy and group 267 00:13:29,110 --> 00:13:26,820 therapy and I submitted myself to an 268 00:13:33,260 --> 00:13:29,120 extensive evaluative process and 269 00:13:35,330 --> 00:13:33,270 interestingly enough my read clinician 270 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:35,340 actually became a contributor to my 271 00:13:39,860 --> 00:13:38,010 first book talking the extraterrestrials 272 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:39,870 there's an appendix in the back of the 273 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:42,330 book which addresses this thing that 274 00:13:47,930 --> 00:13:46,290 happens where otherwise normal people of 275 00:13:49,550 --> 00:13:47,940 course people there are people who 276 00:13:52,130 --> 00:13:49,560 legitimately have a psychiatric 277 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:52,140 condition who have visions and they hear 278 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:53,610 voices of course we know that that 279 00:13:59,420 --> 00:13:56,490 happens but what also can happen is that 280 00:14:03,260 --> 00:13:59,430 otherwise normal people can open to 281 00:14:05,570 --> 00:14:03,270 these amazing extraordinary paranormal 282 00:14:08,300 --> 00:14:05,580 or other worldly experiences that can 283 00:14:11,990 --> 00:14:08,310 tap into an interdimensional experience 284 00:14:14,510 --> 00:14:12,000 and there is no underlying psychosis and 285 00:14:17,180 --> 00:14:14,520 so this is what I was told I was 286 00:14:19,190 --> 00:14:17,190 eventually told and this clinician 287 00:14:21,380 --> 00:14:19,200 shares and this forward by himself he 288 00:14:25,460 --> 00:14:21,390 has a practice in westlake California he 289 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:25,470 still does that I was a sound mind so at 290 00:14:29,990 --> 00:14:27,510 that point after you know all of these 291 00:14:33,950 --> 00:14:30,000 years as I became more confident in 292 00:14:36,410 --> 00:14:33,960 which I was being told you know you have 293 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:36,420 a sound mind well if I'm if I if I'm not 294 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:40,290 crazy then what's happening see so then 295 00:14:45,020 --> 00:14:42,570 I really in earnest started to become 296 00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:45,030 more willing and courageous to go 297 00:14:50,930 --> 00:14:46,800 further because there was a two-year 298 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:50,940 period then after which the experience 299 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:54,450 has stopped and so and it was during 300 00:15:01,040 --> 00:14:56,850 this period in which I was really kind 301 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:01,050 of almost apprehensively looking to find 302 00:15:06,350 --> 00:15:04,110 what was happening to me and so it's a 303 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:06,360 certain point when I had done a lot of 304 00:15:12,350 --> 00:15:08,850 kind of personal growth work on myself 305 00:15:15,410 --> 00:15:12,360 meaning my self concept had improved 306 00:15:17,540 --> 00:15:15,420 because I was just stronger I was more 307 00:15:19,610 --> 00:15:17,550 mature I ain't had some therapy I was 308 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:19,620 feeling better about my divorce and I 309 00:15:23,540 --> 00:15:21,570 was now working again and I was building 310 00:15:26,319 --> 00:15:23,550 back my life with my child I had 311 00:15:29,530 --> 00:15:26,329 regained custody then I was just 312 00:15:33,939 --> 00:15:29,540 all that more willing and able to then 313 00:15:35,619 --> 00:15:33,949 as to know and as that happened by gosh 314 00:15:40,119 --> 00:15:35,629 the experiencer started up all over 315 00:15:43,119 --> 00:15:40,129 again but this time instead of falling 316 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:43,129 asleep and not being able to remember 317 00:15:49,660 --> 00:15:46,809 what was happening I remained awake and 318 00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:49,670 that was really really good fast started 319 00:15:53,949 --> 00:15:51,769 happening because now I was going 320 00:15:56,559 --> 00:15:53,959 forward with confidence I was going 321 00:15:58,960 --> 00:15:56,569 forward with an ability to want to kind 322 00:16:02,410 --> 00:15:58,970 of make a record of what I was learning 323 00:16:04,179 --> 00:16:02,420 and that of course makes up the content 324 00:16:06,069 --> 00:16:04,189 that my books which what did I learn 325 00:16:08,350 --> 00:16:06,079 what was I told you know how did it 326 00:16:12,249 --> 00:16:08,360 affect me why did the experiences happen 327 00:16:15,189 --> 00:16:12,259 and for me the experiences happened 328 00:16:17,229 --> 00:16:15,199 because first of all life is filled with 329 00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:17,239 these kinds of life-changing events 330 00:16:25,259 --> 00:16:21,199 whether paranormal in nature or very 331 00:16:27,629 --> 00:16:25,269 much of this world but we oftentimes are 332 00:16:30,249 --> 00:16:27,639 impacted by these life-changing 333 00:16:33,100 --> 00:16:30,259 initially traumatizing events and it is 334 00:16:35,319 --> 00:16:33,110 our duty to find a way to overcome them 335 00:16:37,059 --> 00:16:35,329 with strength and courage in order to 336 00:16:39,489 --> 00:16:37,069 move beyond them and to grow from them 337 00:16:43,979 --> 00:16:39,499 and that was what I set out to do that's 338 00:16:46,539 --> 00:16:43,989 a wonderful a wonderful Lee inspiring a 339 00:16:48,909 --> 00:16:46,549 way to look at these things certainly 340 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:48,919 goofy frightening no I was frightening 341 00:16:54,519 --> 00:16:51,649 in and you know John Mack to the study 342 00:16:57,699 --> 00:16:54,529 of so many people that had similar 343 00:17:00,549 --> 00:16:57,709 experiences and problems to yours and 344 00:17:02,619 --> 00:17:00,559 the consistent finding was a totally 345 00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:02,629 normal people that are experiencing 346 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:05,120 totally abnormal events that's right and 347 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:07,490 you know I think one of the problems is 348 00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:10,130 that they happen sort of spontaneously 349 00:17:15,220 --> 00:17:12,709 and sporadically and they can't be 350 00:17:17,529 --> 00:17:15,230 duplicated and you know if you see 351 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:17,539 something frightening in the ocean like 352 00:17:21,399 --> 00:17:19,490 the great white shark well that can be 353 00:17:23,529 --> 00:17:21,409 documented everybody else sees it 354 00:17:25,419 --> 00:17:23,539 everybody else knows if you see 355 00:17:27,370 --> 00:17:25,429 something like an extraterrestrial in 356 00:17:29,860 --> 00:17:27,380 the backwoods of New Hampshire on a dark 357 00:17:31,870 --> 00:17:29,870 night and you're all alone that can't be 358 00:17:34,149 --> 00:17:31,880 documented that is frightening people 359 00:17:36,129 --> 00:17:34,159 tend to because they're frightened say 360 00:17:38,289 --> 00:17:36,139 oh no no it never happened it's okay 361 00:17:38,910 --> 00:17:38,299 that's just a little ghost forget about 362 00:17:42,930 --> 00:17:38,920 it 363 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:42,940 people that have experienced these 364 00:17:48,060 --> 00:17:45,610 things have it's horrible because 365 00:17:50,790 --> 00:17:48,070 everybody else looks at you as if you're 366 00:17:52,950 --> 00:17:50,800 really a little bit not everybody 367 00:17:56,010 --> 00:17:52,960 anymore i think we've usually live in a 368 00:17:58,800 --> 00:17:56,020 rarefied atmosphere you and I because 369 00:18:02,340 --> 00:17:58,810 we're involved in this in this community 370 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:02,350 so to see I would like to speak to one 371 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:05,170 thing that it's kind of my pet subject 372 00:18:10,860 --> 00:18:07,690 and you are just the right person to 373 00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:10,870 speak to about it because i myself have 374 00:18:18,110 --> 00:18:13,990 written a number of blog posts about it 375 00:18:21,930 --> 00:18:18,120 and this has to do with the concept of 376 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:21,940 sleep paralysis which is in fact a 377 00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:27,730 normal biological adaptation that higher 378 00:18:35,490 --> 00:18:31,720 mammals at least have made to the dream 379 00:18:38,340 --> 00:18:35,500 process because we many people get sleep 380 00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:38,350 paralyzed cats and dogs and horses do it 381 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:42,880 too and it's to an order to avoid acting 382 00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:47,530 out our dreams however my thesis is this 383 00:18:54,210 --> 00:18:50,710 and I would like to do a study about it 384 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:54,220 at some juncture my thesis is that other 385 00:19:03,030 --> 00:18:57,730 beings other interdimensional or alien 386 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:03,040 beings use the process of sleep 387 00:19:10,620 --> 00:19:08,170 paralysis in order to have the human 388 00:19:13,710 --> 00:19:10,630 mind open to them because we are 389 00:19:16,380 --> 00:19:13,720 actually quite violent individuals and 390 00:19:18,810 --> 00:19:16,390 if something comes down the road towards 391 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:18,820 us that we don't like I'm not talking 392 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:23,110 about you and I reset or or Kate there 393 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:25,810 I'm talking about the average person if 394 00:19:30,060 --> 00:19:27,730 you see something that you're not 395 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:30,070 familiar with and it comes over to you 396 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:32,770 you're likely to strike out we're not 397 00:19:38,690 --> 00:19:35,110 called angry 8 Apes with guns for 398 00:19:43,530 --> 00:19:38,700 nothing so the natural biological 399 00:19:46,740 --> 00:19:43,540 process of sleep sleep paralysis is 400 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:46,750 co-opted by the let's call them aliens 401 00:19:52,190 --> 00:19:50,950 for shorthand the aliens to subdue the 402 00:19:55,639 --> 00:19:52,200 human in in or 403 00:19:58,940 --> 00:19:55,649 that they might be communicated with 404 00:20:02,090 --> 00:19:58,950 what do you think about that you know I 405 00:20:04,850 --> 00:20:02,100 no expert on paralysis and I'm obviously 406 00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:04,860 not a physician or a clinician but from 407 00:20:10,580 --> 00:20:08,159 from my perspective and after you know 408 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:10,590 thinking and contemplating and having 409 00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:12,570 these experiences for so many so many 410 00:20:20,210 --> 00:20:17,039 years because you know I agree with you 411 00:20:23,740 --> 00:20:20,220 that because we're having these 412 00:20:26,899 --> 00:20:23,750 experiences there interdimensional 413 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:26,909 experiences and so when we start because 414 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:30,090 as humans we are a spiritual minds that 415 00:20:36,139 --> 00:20:33,570 think that's melded with a human brain 416 00:20:39,289 --> 00:20:36,149 and so when we're living and were 417 00:20:41,570 --> 00:20:39,299 attached to the human body in this 418 00:20:46,340 --> 00:20:41,580 particular incarnation and somehow 419 00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,350 someway we have found a portal to an 420 00:20:50,899 --> 00:20:48,720 interdimensional experience which can be 421 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:50,909 happening in a physical environment like 422 00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:53,010 Planet Earth definitely that it's not 423 00:20:56,269 --> 00:20:54,240 what we happened he doesn't mean it's 424 00:20:58,220 --> 00:20:56,279 only a figment of our imagination or 425 00:21:01,519 --> 00:20:58,230 that's only a dream we can be having a 426 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:01,529 very real experience but it's happening 427 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:03,690 in an interdimensional way in which we 428 00:21:09,730 --> 00:21:06,809 somehow tapped into interdimensional 429 00:21:11,509 --> 00:21:09,740 phenomena other beings who are living 430 00:21:15,139 --> 00:21:11,519 inter-dimensionally in the present and 431 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:15,149 or tapping into the memories of 432 00:21:20,919 --> 00:21:18,210 ourselves having lived in a disk 433 00:21:22,460 --> 00:21:20,929 incarnation but where we experience at 434 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:22,470 experiencing that interdimensional 435 00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:26,010 experience or thirdly that we're doing 436 00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:28,620 it currently meaning i'm living as a in 437 00:21:33,259 --> 00:21:30,600 life as a human being but I'm 438 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:33,269 concurrently living a life as a 439 00:21:37,460 --> 00:21:35,490 different being with this other group of 440 00:21:40,129 --> 00:21:37,470 people or this other group of things in 441 00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,139 this different location and the two has 442 00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:42,960 kind of melded together in this moment 443 00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:46,169 of confusion I'm having a glimpse into 444 00:21:49,820 --> 00:21:47,760 another interdimensional experience 445 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:49,830 which is happening concurrently so 446 00:21:55,009 --> 00:21:51,450 there's so many different possibilities 447 00:21:57,139 --> 00:21:55,019 and yet naturally when all this is going 448 00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:57,149 down it wouldn't think too out of the 449 00:22:01,570 --> 00:21:59,010 ordinary if we're dealing with other 450 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:01,580 beings who have a heightened sense of 451 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:04,890 evolution spiritually speaking 452 00:22:10,340 --> 00:22:08,250 this recognition that that let's kind of 453 00:22:13,670 --> 00:22:10,350 contain the physical body as one is 454 00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:13,680 experiencing this phenomenon now I do 455 00:22:22,010 --> 00:22:19,380 recognize that the people who are more a 456 00:22:23,870 --> 00:22:22,020 true to the so-called UFO abduction 457 00:22:25,580 --> 00:22:23,880 phenomena in which they saw that they've 458 00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,590 been violated and they feel that they've 459 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:27,360 been kidnapped and make sure that 460 00:22:33,530 --> 00:22:29,970 they've been paralyzed you know and I'm 461 00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:33,540 speaking from the perspective of it in 462 00:22:42,020 --> 00:22:38,720 my particular opinion we're all open as 463 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:42,030 beings and to having extraordinary 464 00:22:48,260 --> 00:22:44,610 experiences across all the domains so 465 00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:48,270 even human being or having experiences 466 00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:50,100 on planet earth in which they're harmed 467 00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:52,380 meaning whether they're kidnapped or 468 00:22:57,650 --> 00:22:54,510 they you know go to Syria and there 469 00:22:59,180 --> 00:22:57,660 their car is bombed or somebody breaks 470 00:23:02,000 --> 00:22:59,190 into the house and steal the television 471 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:02,010 set you know because we have a mixed bag 472 00:23:08,540 --> 00:23:05,210 of spiritual growth but on this planet 473 00:23:11,780 --> 00:23:08,550 it also is reflect you know it reflects 474 00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:11,790 what's happening universally speaking we 475 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:14,280 have all of these beings in lots of 476 00:23:18,140 --> 00:23:15,930 different locations both in this 477 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:18,150 dimension and others in which there are 478 00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:21,090 various and varying degrees of spiritual 479 00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:24,320 attainment and so when that happened it 480 00:23:27,890 --> 00:23:26,340 doesn't mean that only one of those 481 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:27,900 things that have is happening it means 482 00:23:33,170 --> 00:23:30,690 that all of it can be happening yes the 483 00:23:36,860 --> 00:23:33,180 only issue is that is when somebody 484 00:23:38,780 --> 00:23:36,870 experiences trauma or terror it doesn't 485 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:38,790 always necessarily assume that 486 00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:41,430 wrongdoing is occurring and that's of 487 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:43,080 course what I found out because I was 488 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:47,010 traumatized yeah it was terrified and I 489 00:23:52,190 --> 00:23:48,810 know that when I even take my dog to the 490 00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:52,200 vet she is terrified and interestingly 491 00:23:57,410 --> 00:23:54,660 enough she's lost one I just from a 492 00:23:59,540 --> 00:23:57,420 hiking accident and we had to web 493 00:24:02,240 --> 00:23:59,550 surgery when I go to show up at that vet 494 00:24:04,940 --> 00:24:02,250 when she sees those vets with their with 495 00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:04,950 their lab coats or even the technicians 496 00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,760 with their scrubs she bolts she doesn't 497 00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:10,320 like him and so she attributes 498 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:14,550 wrongdoing and harm to people who you 499 00:24:18,090 --> 00:24:16,890 know they're intended to help her yes 500 00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,100 you know human 501 00:24:23,159 --> 00:24:20,320 can't make sense of everything that's 502 00:24:26,610 --> 00:24:23,169 absolutely true and I am happy to say as 503 00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:26,620 having been an experiencer I'm here none 504 00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,200 the worse for wear and the experiences 505 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:31,679 were very interesting and in some cases 506 00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,730 enlightening but at the time they are 507 00:24:40,620 --> 00:24:35,919 happening especially with the vibrations 508 00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,630 as you know can be you know the loss of 509 00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:42,880 control alone forget even the vibration 510 00:24:49,409 --> 00:24:45,900 is is is a really big pill to swallow 511 00:24:52,110 --> 00:24:49,419 yes and when something is happening it 512 00:24:54,090 --> 00:24:52,120 is not supposed to happen you know it 513 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:54,100 when it's happening in a context of a 514 00:24:59,010 --> 00:24:57,010 society that you know doesn't believe 515 00:25:04,049 --> 00:24:59,020 that it's possible now you know I still 516 00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:04,059 even today I can go to social you know I 517 00:25:09,180 --> 00:25:06,760 can be a social environment whether at a 518 00:25:12,090 --> 00:25:09,190 party or a dinner party and this subject 519 00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:12,100 can come up and you better believe even 520 00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:15,539 in Los Angeles they're absolutely still 521 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:19,030 even clinicians who are very aligned 522 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:21,490 with faith the psychiatric field to say 523 00:25:27,450 --> 00:25:24,130 actually categorically that this is not 524 00:25:29,370 --> 00:25:27,460 possible it's only a some degree of you 525 00:25:30,899 --> 00:25:29,380 know insanity that's being expressed and 526 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:30,909 then it's not possible that 527 00:25:35,549 --> 00:25:33,010 interdimensional beings from a 528 00:25:38,820 --> 00:25:35,559 scientific standpoint can interact with 529 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:38,830 human beings so you know it's very much 530 00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:41,890 still refuted in many many circles one 531 00:25:46,620 --> 00:25:43,929 time we hope to think it and experience 532 00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:46,630 one night yes and that will that will 533 00:25:52,860 --> 00:25:48,390 set them in a different category 534 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:52,870 entirely but I am also reminded of what 535 00:25:59,010 --> 00:25:56,770 the quantum physicist have said that 536 00:26:02,490 --> 00:25:59,020 consciousness is fundamental to 537 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:02,500 everything it comes first and foremost 538 00:26:07,049 --> 00:26:05,650 before the world of matter but the hard 539 00:26:09,149 --> 00:26:07,059 line through the system but the 540 00:26:11,399 --> 00:26:09,159 materialists don't go for it yeah I know 541 00:26:13,470 --> 00:26:11,409 and you will not find an engineer that 542 00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:13,480 does that either I know I'm right here 543 00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:18,190 who does oh but you know honestly I have 544 00:26:22,409 --> 00:26:20,620 to agree with you and so you had these 545 00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:22,419 experiences and you said that they were 546 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:25,000 helpful in your life do you think that 547 00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,890 they were helpful because they were 548 00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:29,200 intended to be helpful or that it was 549 00:26:35,950 --> 00:26:32,260 just a side effect of 550 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:35,960 you know interestingly enough ultimately 551 00:26:44,140 --> 00:26:40,130 the purpose of my encounter experiences 552 00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:44,150 we're the same as the purpose of the 553 00:26:51,130 --> 00:26:47,600 process of the physical body human body 554 00:26:54,010 --> 00:26:51,140 dying and then transitioning to an inter 555 00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:54,020 life experience and then coming back oh 556 00:26:58,420 --> 00:26:55,910 and what am I saying there what I'm 557 00:27:01,300 --> 00:26:58,430 saying is that my extra-special contact 558 00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:01,310 experiences ultimately provided a 559 00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:05,120 context for me to rest and reflect on my 560 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:08,750 actions and my motivations with respect 561 00:27:13,570 --> 00:27:10,490 to the life that I was living at that I 562 00:27:18,610 --> 00:27:13,580 am living right now and yet what I found 563 00:27:22,810 --> 00:27:18,620 is during these BTW encounters I somehow 564 00:27:25,390 --> 00:27:22,820 had this ability to be transitioned to 565 00:27:30,270 --> 00:27:25,400 this variant Earl if-- where we go when 566 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:30,280 we die and to be able to again see these 567 00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:32,570 experiences of me both in the past 568 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:36,110 meaning as a soul reviewing other lives 569 00:27:42,790 --> 00:27:40,130 and also to be benefited by information 570 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:42,800 that was given to me by my wise counsel 571 00:27:48,460 --> 00:27:45,290 as to the girls of my soul in this 572 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:48,470 particular life so talk about mind 573 00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:50,450 blowing all of a sudden now I'm 574 00:27:55,530 --> 00:27:53,030 experiencing what others who have 575 00:27:58,810 --> 00:27:55,540 written about the near death experiences 576 00:28:00,490 --> 00:27:58,820 alright and now i'm experiencing that so 577 00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:00,500 it's like one or wait a minute what 578 00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:02,510 aliens have to do with their death 579 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:05,360 experiences and for what I known today 580 00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:09,410 is that somehow I I was able to enter 581 00:28:12,970 --> 00:28:10,910 this portal and have these 582 00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:12,980 interdimensional experiences but the 583 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:15,110 experiences that experience did not stop 584 00:28:21,790 --> 00:28:18,650 with being able to perceive and conceive 585 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:21,800 of these otherworldly beings and the 586 00:28:25,450 --> 00:28:23,210 information that they gave me and the 587 00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,460 communications that I had in fact it 588 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:27,440 went further than that I was able to 589 00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:31,490 access recurring experience it in which 590 00:28:39,790 --> 00:28:35,110 I was in the inter life in which I was 591 00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:39,800 reinter life and so what I gained from 592 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:43,030 that was this really wonderful 593 00:28:47,499 --> 00:28:45,049 perspective on 594 00:28:50,830 --> 00:28:47,509 what we're doing here as human beings in 595 00:28:53,499 --> 00:28:50,840 this in any given incarnation and how 596 00:28:56,139 --> 00:28:53,509 our goals vary from soul to soul which 597 00:28:59,320 --> 00:28:56,149 is why some of us have interdimensional 598 00:29:02,399 --> 00:28:59,330 experiences and others don't but also 599 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:02,409 you know what was the overarching 600 00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:05,330 message and power of having that 601 00:29:11,049 --> 00:29:09,110 information so I just it's just 602 00:29:13,779 --> 00:29:11,059 astounding to me still is astounding to 603 00:29:16,539 --> 00:29:13,789 me to be able to have been provided a 604 00:29:19,989 --> 00:29:16,549 vehicle in which it all started to make 605 00:29:23,070 --> 00:29:19,999 sense to me meaning it all serves to 606 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:23,080 make sense why we have such 607 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:26,090 opportunities for joy and yet and yet 608 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:29,090 there's there's experiences of great 609 00:29:33,789 --> 00:29:32,090 sorrow and there's and while we're 610 00:29:35,769 --> 00:29:33,799 sitting while we do the talking miss 611 00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:35,779 talking right now I'm looking at the 612 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:38,480 Pacific Ocean wow so magnificently 613 00:29:44,919 --> 00:29:40,970 beautiful and where I am sitting is this 614 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:44,929 is this vast view of the ocean and yet 615 00:29:50,229 --> 00:29:47,090 you know last night I was watching the 616 00:29:52,509 --> 00:29:50,239 children in the ceasefire in Aleppo and 617 00:29:55,479 --> 00:29:52,519 how heartbreaking it is and how did they 618 00:29:57,279 --> 00:29:55,489 get to be there in all that sorrow and I 619 00:30:00,159 --> 00:29:57,289 got to be here have one of the 620 00:30:02,019 --> 00:30:00,169 mechanisms that made all that happen why 621 00:30:04,989 --> 00:30:02,029 did those souls chew that and choose 622 00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:04,999 that and if indeed we have choice and so 623 00:30:12,609 --> 00:30:10,159 this is what became my interest these 624 00:30:15,070 --> 00:30:12,619 are my interest in the later part of my 625 00:30:16,769 --> 00:30:15,080 life which is right now which is having 626 00:30:20,249 --> 00:30:16,779 benefited from all these extraordinary 627 00:30:23,529 --> 00:30:20,259 encounter experiences and yet now i'm 628 00:30:26,830 --> 00:30:23,539 really really interested not in counting 629 00:30:29,950 --> 00:30:26,840 and qualifying and quantifying how many 630 00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:29,960 toes the aliens have or right all right 631 00:30:36,820 --> 00:30:34,340 but what is the right what is behind the 632 00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:36,830 veil of the universe itself what's 633 00:30:42,580 --> 00:30:39,529 important at all yes that's my interest 634 00:30:44,499 --> 00:30:42,590 wow that's that's sort of a that's a 635 00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,509 question that if you wish you come up 636 00:30:48,669 --> 00:30:46,399 with the answer to that one your books 637 00:30:52,539 --> 00:30:48,679 will be going off the shelf but you 638 00:30:57,369 --> 00:30:52,549 don't you speak of this inter life oh is 639 00:30:58,540 --> 00:30:57,379 that sort of is there something when you 640 00:31:00,640 --> 00:30:58,550 say enter I 641 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:00,650 I imagine this life obviously that we're 642 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:03,110 experiencing then there's the inter and 643 00:31:07,870 --> 00:31:05,450 what's beyond that is there another 644 00:31:11,770 --> 00:31:07,880 plane of existence so that the in thing 645 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:11,780 between them are in the afterlife no 646 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:14,810 just the other cookie yeah do we might 647 00:31:17,890 --> 00:31:16,610 call the interlaces to call of it 648 00:31:20,170 --> 00:31:17,900 there's going to be another life 649 00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:20,180 there'll be long so it's in between 650 00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:23,510 lives okay the afterlife where we're 651 00:31:29,620 --> 00:31:27,200 going we die weird fairies not dying you 652 00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:29,630 know the soul hasn't died and so you 653 00:31:34,780 --> 00:31:32,360 know here we go so it's getting very 654 00:31:37,150 --> 00:31:34,790 strange even to me today that Here I am 655 00:31:39,340 --> 00:31:37,160 having had extra social contact 656 00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,350 experiences but now I'm teaching and 657 00:31:44,290 --> 00:31:41,600 talking about what happens in the 658 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:44,300 afterlife and how that all came together 659 00:31:50,260 --> 00:31:47,930 is surprising and extraordinary that I 660 00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:50,270 wouldn't have it any other way because 661 00:31:55,270 --> 00:31:52,310 to know what's happening in the 662 00:31:58,150 --> 00:31:55,280 afterlife it makes us able to know 663 00:32:00,340 --> 00:31:58,160 what's happening to us right now but I 664 00:32:02,170 --> 00:32:00,350 think you are almost not supposed to 665 00:32:05,860 --> 00:32:02,180 know right i mean because if you did 666 00:32:08,140 --> 00:32:05,870 know like oh well i'm just here for 85 667 00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:08,150 90 years and this and this will happen 668 00:32:12,940 --> 00:32:10,460 and i'll learn my lesson they'll go back 669 00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:12,950 and so it's all just a lesson learning 670 00:32:17,860 --> 00:32:15,710 thing if you don't know that there's an 671 00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:17,870 afterlife this becomes a lot more real 672 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:20,860 and a lot the suffering and the 673 00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,290 happiness becomes a lot more real so i 674 00:32:28,060 --> 00:32:26,000 think we're actually not supposed to 675 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:28,070 know that's just my opinion obviously i 676 00:32:37,530 --> 00:32:29,930 mean it's not based on anything of this 677 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:37,540 net I agree okay from what I understand 678 00:32:42,730 --> 00:32:40,850 is that people individuals who need to 679 00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:42,740 know further for the sake of their own 680 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:44,120 growth and where they are at the hot 681 00:32:48,010 --> 00:32:46,610 okay they will be drawn to the material 682 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:48,020 because there's something very important 683 00:32:52,390 --> 00:32:49,970 that they're wanting to know and it will 684 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:52,400 help them move to the next level of the 685 00:32:58,150 --> 00:32:55,610 growth you know conversely people who 686 00:33:00,220 --> 00:32:58,160 deny those experiences deny that there's 687 00:33:02,650 --> 00:33:00,230 an afterlife deny that there's anything 688 00:33:04,090 --> 00:33:02,660 else are going to place of their own 689 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:04,100 girls where they're definitely not 690 00:33:10,270 --> 00:33:06,770 supposed to know we may that may change 691 00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:10,280 but he helps also have more patience and 692 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:11,710 compassion for people 693 00:33:18,269 --> 00:33:15,130 were absolutely close-minded they're 694 00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,279 working on other things and really you 695 00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:20,799 know it's kind of like we don't expose 696 00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:24,159 our kindergartners to sophisticated 697 00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:27,700 concepts of anatomy sexuality and 698 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:29,830 mathematics because they're just working 699 00:33:34,409 --> 00:33:32,020 on you know they're in the early stages 700 00:33:37,409 --> 00:33:34,419 of their program during the early stages 701 00:33:41,010 --> 00:33:37,419 of their development they may be may be 702 00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:41,020 their first 10 or 15 incarnations let 703 00:33:48,450 --> 00:33:44,820 alone their first five right verified 704 00:33:51,090 --> 00:33:48,460 what would necessarily keep them focused 705 00:33:52,590 --> 00:33:51,100 on just what they're doing and so they 706 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:52,600 may be completely close to that and 707 00:33:56,639 --> 00:33:54,730 their guides want it that way so for 708 00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:56,649 example if somebody who's in their early 709 00:34:00,690 --> 00:33:59,440 stages of the development or even in the 710 00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:00,700 late eighties in their development and 711 00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:02,289 that's another I'll talk about that in a 712 00:34:06,750 --> 00:34:04,140 second there let's just say they go to 713 00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:06,760 psychotherapy and they want to be 714 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:09,190 regressed so that they can access are 715 00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:11,169 there other lives and what's happening 716 00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:13,270 in the afterlife and let's just say they 717 00:34:18,060 --> 00:34:15,480 do that and they just get nothing 718 00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:18,070 there's no information because they're 719 00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:20,230 for whatever reason they're mine is 720 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:22,990 close to that some experience it doesn't 721 00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,609 mean that there isn't that there are 722 00:34:28,919 --> 00:34:27,040 none doesn't mean that there may be have 723 00:34:31,169 --> 00:34:28,929 been no other lies it doesn't mean that 724 00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:31,179 there is no you know spiritual guidance 725 00:34:35,879 --> 00:34:33,369 or that there's no afterlife it just 726 00:34:38,419 --> 00:34:35,889 means that they for their own particular 727 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:38,429 reasons they've been tested on certain 728 00:34:43,889 --> 00:34:41,530 abilities right now and it's important 729 00:34:46,530 --> 00:34:43,899 that they not that they're not aware 730 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:46,540 that there's a council of liars elders 731 00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:48,690 you know looking over their shoulder 732 00:34:54,930 --> 00:34:51,070 evaluating what they're going to do next 733 00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:54,940 so it's like this amnesia we and you're 734 00:35:01,170 --> 00:34:57,880 right I in might my opinion we do agree 735 00:35:04,650 --> 00:35:01,180 to forget we do it but then some of us 736 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:04,660 have these other experiences and then we 737 00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:06,250 talk about them and then those people 738 00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,070 who are looking on a certain area in a 739 00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:11,680 life in which they wanting certain 740 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:14,320 memories job for the sake of their own 741 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:16,930 growth they will be drawn to those radio 742 00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:19,210 interviews or those books that start to 743 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:20,920 open them up because of what they're 744 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:22,930 working on so it's kind of interesting 745 00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:24,410 there is this 746 00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:27,520 a crazy perfection of timing in timing 747 00:35:34,359 --> 00:35:32,990 as far as opening to other realities you 748 00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,369 know there's a right time for it and 749 00:35:40,210 --> 00:35:37,119 then there's also a time where it's not 750 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:40,220 necessary for our growth such as you 751 00:35:44,740 --> 00:35:43,250 know the example of a kindergartner 752 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:44,750 first grade we're not going to bombard 753 00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:46,970 them with serious subjects until they're 754 00:35:53,170 --> 00:35:49,520 ready for that they're still learning to 755 00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:53,180 share their cannons they are but you 756 00:35:58,690 --> 00:35:56,470 know on these aliens that you have 757 00:36:01,029 --> 00:35:58,700 discovered her than have communicated 758 00:36:03,130 --> 00:36:01,039 with you now are they forever in the 759 00:36:07,150 --> 00:36:03,140 afterlife as a sort of like guides or do 760 00:36:09,579 --> 00:36:07,160 they get reincarnated into forever my 761 00:36:11,819 --> 00:36:09,589 understanding is that all beings go 762 00:36:14,589 --> 00:36:11,829 through incarnation experiences because 763 00:36:17,789 --> 00:36:14,599 right it just is interested from my 764 00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:17,799 understanding and I talking about 765 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:22,030 physical existences and then universally 766 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:25,130 once we reach a certain level of 767 00:36:31,870 --> 00:36:27,770 attainment then we stopped needing to 768 00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:31,880 incarnate into a physical body and that 769 00:36:37,180 --> 00:36:35,150 goes along with certain places like 770 00:36:39,490 --> 00:36:37,190 planet Earth either we the parent body 771 00:36:42,609 --> 00:36:39,500 lives you know anywhere depending up 772 00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:42,619 until about a hundred if given certain 773 00:36:48,579 --> 00:36:45,710 factors and I'm aware that there are 774 00:36:50,859 --> 00:36:48,589 other existences physical existences 775 00:36:53,859 --> 00:36:50,869 where beings can live longer than that 776 00:36:56,260 --> 00:36:53,869 very much shorter than that some beings 777 00:36:59,920 --> 00:36:56,270 may incarnate in their early existences 778 00:37:02,589 --> 00:36:59,930 on planets in which they have different 779 00:37:07,450 --> 00:37:02,599 abilities they might be flying beings 780 00:37:10,539 --> 00:37:07,460 but with a conscious mind and they're an 781 00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:10,549 intelligent species and yet that cycle 782 00:37:17,380 --> 00:37:14,440 of life might be only you know a year so 783 00:37:20,289 --> 00:37:17,390 depends what that show is working on and 784 00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:20,299 where it is incarnated yes look at 785 00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:22,910 damselflies alright they live all just 786 00:37:30,130 --> 00:37:26,569 overnight mm-hmm so it's it's totally 787 00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:30,140 within the scope of even the biology 788 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:33,529 that we know here on earth what about 789 00:37:37,870 --> 00:37:36,770 animals are just curious yes what is the 790 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:37,880 feelings 791 00:37:45,070 --> 00:37:41,330 our I mean I I'll tell you I think my 792 00:37:48,130 --> 00:37:45,080 dog is nicer than a lot of people so but 793 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:48,140 is that considered a solar is there a 794 00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:50,210 certain level of intelligence that's 795 00:37:57,730 --> 00:37:54,680 required my understanding is that yes 796 00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:57,740 there that all living beings have holes 797 00:38:05,980 --> 00:38:01,760 made different aspect the way that we 798 00:38:09,730 --> 00:38:05,990 know the soul the kind of the transition 799 00:38:12,970 --> 00:38:09,740 of souls moving towards attainment it 800 00:38:17,230 --> 00:38:12,980 may be slightly different but beings 801 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:17,240 have some kind of soul and where they go 802 00:38:24,910 --> 00:38:22,850 after death may not be with us as humans 803 00:38:28,090 --> 00:38:24,920 but it doesn't mean that we're not able 804 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:28,100 to experience them again so for my 805 00:38:34,990 --> 00:38:30,890 understanding even after death were able 806 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:35,000 to still have encounters with those 807 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:37,010 animals the full of animals that we 808 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:40,970 loved I see I just want to discuss 809 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:42,890 briefly with you a one of the 810 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:46,250 experiences towards the end of above and 811 00:38:53,830 --> 00:38:50,330 beyond which was it was an experience 812 00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:53,840 where you were obtained aboard I craft 813 00:39:03,070 --> 00:38:58,640 and you saw something that was more 814 00:39:07,090 --> 00:39:03,080 typical of the abductees of experience 815 00:39:10,330 --> 00:39:07,100 in other words there were hybrids there 816 00:39:15,490 --> 00:39:10,340 and there were animals that were frozen 817 00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:15,500 in in the inside of the vehicle do you 818 00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,910 want to speak to that a minute because I 819 00:39:21,450 --> 00:39:18,560 thought that was very interesting and 820 00:39:25,150 --> 00:39:21,460 kind of explained some of the hybrid 821 00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:25,160 some of the abductees experienced with 822 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:27,710 the thoughts about hybrids and so forth 823 00:39:32,050 --> 00:39:29,930 and I thought that that part was very 824 00:39:34,270 --> 00:39:32,060 very interesting and might be of great 825 00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:34,280 interest to our listeners who were many 826 00:39:41,590 --> 00:39:38,510 of whom are drawn to the UFO Southern 827 00:39:43,930 --> 00:39:41,600 culture but even before yes that before 828 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:43,940 you answer we should tell our listening 829 00:39:48,730 --> 00:39:45,890 audience with this is Lysette Larkins 830 00:39:51,790 --> 00:39:48,740 yes and and the author of a book above 831 00:39:54,970 --> 00:39:51,800 and beyond talking to extraterrestrials 832 00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:54,980 and difficult people and to others 833 00:40:01,450 --> 00:39:58,130 listening to extraterrestrials and yeah 834 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:01,460 what was that that's one can oh that was 835 00:40:06,850 --> 00:40:03,770 that we're going to have to ask you yes 836 00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:06,860 I i I'm sorry we'll have to but really 837 00:40:10,810 --> 00:40:08,750 this is what set Larkins is certain I'm 838 00:40:12,730 --> 00:40:10,820 sure you're on the internet and go out 839 00:40:15,550 --> 00:40:12,740 and get those books because they are 840 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:15,560 really eye-opening yeah and in this 841 00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:18,610 short period of time you cannot really 842 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:20,990 download the entire lifetime of 843 00:40:28,270 --> 00:40:23,450 experiences of course not that's why God 844 00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:28,280 invented books yes right you know I at 845 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:30,590 this point in my life and because of all 846 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:33,170 the kind of various and strange 847 00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:36,290 experiences that I've had you know I 848 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:39,260 don't think you can kind of load one 849 00:40:44,620 --> 00:40:42,290 experience and then call that one good 850 00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:44,630 and the other one evil so I know what 851 00:40:50,530 --> 00:40:46,310 you're talking about though you're 852 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:50,540 asking about you know typical to the UFO 853 00:40:54,730 --> 00:40:52,370 abduction model there are cattle 854 00:40:56,170 --> 00:40:54,740 mutilations for instance and so what 855 00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:56,180 does that mean for someone like me who 856 00:41:00,220 --> 00:40:58,250 is saying I don't feel that I was 857 00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:00,230 kidnapped abducted I don't feel these 858 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:03,470 were evil aliens and yet I saw what you 859 00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:06,410 might consider to be livestock typical 860 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:08,660 to the others reports of cattle 861 00:41:13,690 --> 00:41:11,330 mutilations well in my case first of all 862 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:13,700 you know there are lots of places to 863 00:41:18,910 --> 00:41:15,890 incarnate other planets that have 864 00:41:21,490 --> 00:41:18,920 animals that look very much like the 865 00:41:23,950 --> 00:41:21,500 animals that we know here so it doesn't 866 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:23,960 mean that just because we see a cow that 867 00:41:27,790 --> 00:41:26,570 we're on and we're having some 868 00:41:29,860 --> 00:41:27,800 perceptions of an interdimensional 869 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:29,870 experience it doesn't necessarily mean 870 00:41:33,070 --> 00:41:31,130 that were you know that we're on 871 00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:33,080 calendars and aliens have come here and 872 00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,820 somehow harmed a cow here there is if 873 00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:39,680 there is a bleed-through and there can 874 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:41,270 be with people who were expression 875 00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:42,770 experiencing interdimensional 876 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:46,190 experiences if there is a mystery is and 877 00:41:51,970 --> 00:41:49,010 can be ably through in which are either 878 00:41:53,290 --> 00:41:51,980 experiencing past lives of ourselves in 879 00:41:55,780 --> 00:41:53,300 different living and different 880 00:41:59,980 --> 00:41:55,790 dimensions in other physical locations 881 00:42:02,500 --> 00:41:59,990 or concurrent experiences we can 882 00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:02,510 obviously experience and witness and see 883 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:04,980 all kinds of creatures 884 00:42:13,070 --> 00:42:08,970 big and small human human like humanoid 885 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:13,080 like and animal like and in my case I 886 00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:15,810 witnessed these these animals that look 887 00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:17,550 like the cows that we have here in the 888 00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:19,380 sheep that we have here but there were 889 00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:21,420 some startling differences and those 890 00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:24,390 differences were met were that their 891 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:26,670 coat or there's the sheep's what do you 892 00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:30,330 call it their hair but it was 893 00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:33,420 extraordinary beautiful I mean it was 894 00:42:39,530 --> 00:42:36,300 extremely long and luxurious and I was 895 00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:39,540 struck by this so I can't say exactly 896 00:42:44,450 --> 00:42:41,910 where I was and what kind of experience 897 00:42:47,660 --> 00:42:44,460 I was having but I did notice that they 898 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:47,670 couldn't move but whether they regarded 899 00:42:55,250 --> 00:42:51,210 they're alive they I felt that they were 900 00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:55,260 they had they had been um they were 901 00:42:59,930 --> 00:42:58,020 surrounded by this / fading light so 902 00:43:02,900 --> 00:42:59,940 it's possible that we're not even dead 903 00:43:05,060 --> 00:43:02,910 they were just there and I was amazed 904 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:05,070 that you know what they were there 905 00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:06,930 because I was clearly having this 906 00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:08,910 interdimensional experience and I was 907 00:43:15,620 --> 00:43:12,720 seeing v's you know four foot tall this 908 00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,630 little grey alien head as we described 909 00:43:20,570 --> 00:43:18,000 them this inversed pear shaped head with 910 00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:20,580 the large black wraparound eyes and yet 911 00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:22,740 so there were cows they were aliens and 912 00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:25,619 yet you know what if something else is 913 00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,660 happening other than somebody's 914 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:30,240 suggesting that the aliens have scooped 915 00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:31,890 up the cows and their mutilating the men 916 00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:33,990 there you know capture harvesting of 917 00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:36,540 body parts for some reason so I didn't 918 00:43:42,380 --> 00:43:40,320 see that I only saw other animals that I 919 00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:42,390 recognized on planet earth in the 920 00:43:48,730 --> 00:43:46,950 vicinity of these alien beings and from 921 00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:48,740 all that I have seen in all that I know 922 00:43:56,410 --> 00:43:52,680 now I'm more kind of visually aware of 923 00:44:00,020 --> 00:43:56,420 how many extraordinary extraordinarily 924 00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,030 large number of potential types of 925 00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:02,400 incarnation experiences that are open 926 00:44:09,859 --> 00:44:06,390 the whole that's that's lovely that's a 927 00:44:12,490 --> 00:44:09,869 very very nice way of putting it I also 928 00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:12,500 recall that you had mentioned that of 929 00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,560 the the others the visitors if you will 930 00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:18,960 had expressed to you that 931 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:21,510 at all reproduction did not have to be 932 00:44:27,290 --> 00:44:23,970 through if you'll forgive the term 933 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:27,300 carnal knowledge and that that there was 934 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:31,410 there were sort of hybrid children that 935 00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:33,930 they kept up there I don't know where 936 00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:36,119 there is I we've gone through that so 937 00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:39,089 there's no need to you know speak to 938 00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:41,849 wear what there is there but that you 939 00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:46,640 you encountered of hybrid children and 940 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:49,800 also that they had mentioned to you that 941 00:44:57,620 --> 00:44:53,970 they were keeping these children in case 942 00:45:00,920 --> 00:44:57,630 it was necessary to restock a planet 943 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:00,930 with humans because humans may be doing 944 00:45:06,980 --> 00:45:03,210 something negative to the planet so 945 00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:06,990 there we come close to the the I'm 946 00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:08,609 forgetting to what they're called the 947 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:11,640 50s people contact you to contact these 948 00:45:15,890 --> 00:45:14,250 what the contact he's the message that 949 00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:15,900 the contact these were always getting 950 00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:19,200 was that humans were destroying the 951 00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:21,420 earth and needed to be much more careful 952 00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:23,220 which I'd have to agree with that 953 00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:26,640 general concept but perhaps you bet but 954 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:29,099 your your friends they said that that 955 00:45:34,099 --> 00:45:30,930 things we're not going to be ending 956 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:34,109 shortly on earth so maybe you could 957 00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:36,530 speak to those two ideas a little bit 958 00:45:45,620 --> 00:45:41,150 you know if I love it when we try to 959 00:45:49,339 --> 00:45:45,630 clarify and classify a phenomena that is 960 00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:49,349 incomprehensible on earth I mean these 961 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:51,300 are these are incomprehensible in many 962 00:45:56,570 --> 00:45:53,250 ways and they were even as I was 963 00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,580 experiencing them and so there's this 964 00:46:03,109 --> 00:45:58,800 really there's no short there's no 965 00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:03,119 shortage of experiential possibilities 966 00:46:09,260 --> 00:46:06,780 and having had these well near-death 967 00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:09,270 experiences without having died how they 968 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:11,730 had these afterlife or inter life 969 00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:14,730 experiences without having lost my 970 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:19,859 current body and having been introduced 971 00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:23,970 to in consciousness my kind of council 972 00:46:30,490 --> 00:46:27,780 of elders and my guys you know the soul 973 00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:30,500 it's just 974 00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:33,680 the opportunities for growth are there 975 00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:37,040 just abundant so usually from my 976 00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:39,110 understand is when a cell is rated for 977 00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:41,510 developing on earth they continue to 978 00:46:47,020 --> 00:46:44,480 come to earth but there are many souls 979 00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:47,030 particularly experiencers who didn't 980 00:46:51,460 --> 00:46:49,670 start on earth they started someplace 981 00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:51,470 else and in those dimensional 982 00:46:56,290 --> 00:46:54,800 experiences we you know moved in other 983 00:46:59,020 --> 00:46:56,300 observations there have been other 984 00:47:01,330 --> 00:46:59,030 beings in which other experiences in 985 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:01,340 which different kinds of beings are 986 00:47:05,980 --> 00:47:03,290 creating different kinds of offspring 987 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:05,990 and then when we retain those memories 988 00:47:11,230 --> 00:47:09,290 it also speaks to having experiences in 989 00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:11,240 which we're witnessing something in an 990 00:47:15,940 --> 00:47:13,280 interdimensional experience and yet we 991 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:15,950 can't quite grasp how we're experiencing 992 00:47:20,050 --> 00:47:18,890 it how we're witnessing it and so you 993 00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,060 know it's through the human mind 994 00:47:26,110 --> 00:47:22,400 speaking right now that we're attempting 995 00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:26,120 to classify it and clarify these things 996 00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:31,730 and yet there's this kind of perfected 997 00:47:38,350 --> 00:47:35,030 an extraordinary perfection to the 998 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:38,360 process of spiritual attainment of souls 999 00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:41,450 and what I what I learned was that 1000 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:44,950 process happens for better or for worse 1001 00:47:54,010 --> 00:47:49,130 through the unfolding of experiencing 1002 00:47:57,070 --> 00:47:54,020 wrong doing wrong so wrong doing ah you 1003 00:48:00,460 --> 00:47:57,080 know and it doesn't necessarily mean 1004 00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:00,470 that there's quote bad karma it means 1005 00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:02,510 that it is through all of different 1006 00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:06,110 kinds of wrong doings in all of its 1007 00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:08,270 manifestations and sometimes you can 1008 00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:10,550 quote that you know in other words is 1009 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:13,520 there wrongdoing if a child is born into 1010 00:48:17,950 --> 00:48:16,490 a body that has no legs and arms and we 1011 00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,960 know of human beings is that is 1012 00:48:21,460 --> 00:48:19,280 happening he chews them on the covers of 1013 00:48:23,530 --> 00:48:21,470 books and I you know I've heard of one 1014 00:48:25,530 --> 00:48:23,540 particular gentleman and he's like a 1015 00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:25,540 best-selling author and it's absolutely 1016 00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:27,950 phenomenal what he's accomplished and 1017 00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,760 what he speaks it out but when we see or 1018 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:33,920 hear experiences like that we say she 1019 00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:36,170 you know how does this person survive 1020 00:48:41,740 --> 00:48:40,160 that so the ways that we experience 1021 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:41,750 wrongdoing all 1022 00:48:50,770 --> 00:48:45,770 these necessarily eventually shape to 1023 00:48:53,590 --> 00:48:50,780 the soul now how long that takes and the 1024 00:48:59,650 --> 00:48:53,600 and the method that that soul goes 1025 00:49:03,280 --> 00:48:59,660 through in order to overcome all kind of 1026 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:03,290 difficulties so all if we just had a 1027 00:49:08,110 --> 00:49:05,330 wonderful life with absolutely no 1028 00:49:12,550 --> 00:49:08,120 downside at all there's nothing to be 1029 00:49:14,860 --> 00:49:12,560 learned from it well I however it does 1030 00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:14,870 sounds for a nice I mean yes well I 1031 00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:17,030 always say that when I come back I'd 1032 00:49:22,450 --> 00:49:19,310 love to go to the giant pillow planet 1033 00:49:24,430 --> 00:49:22,460 with lots of furry pink kitten oh yeah 1034 00:49:26,620 --> 00:49:24,440 but I know that's not going to help my 1035 00:49:28,090 --> 00:49:26,630 growth experience too much Ethel aren't 1036 00:49:30,430 --> 00:49:28,100 about but that's an excellent point 1037 00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:30,440 though and it does make clear a lot of 1038 00:49:35,110 --> 00:49:32,630 things as as you said like why should 1039 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:35,120 some soldiers to come back in a war-torn 1040 00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:37,970 country as opposed to someone that would 1041 00:49:41,980 --> 00:49:40,220 come to a country where there was lots 1042 00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:41,990 of leisure and ability to learn and 1043 00:49:47,350 --> 00:49:44,180 content meditate and think about things 1044 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:47,360 so yeah that makes perfect sense it 1045 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:50,450 really does in our we have a you know 1046 00:49:56,260 --> 00:49:52,730 like sort of one segment left here 1047 00:49:58,750 --> 00:49:56,270 available for us to talk to and I i 1048 00:50:02,500 --> 00:49:58,760 would like to give you an opportunity to 1049 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:02,510 talk a little bit about what one of the 1050 00:50:08,830 --> 00:50:05,450 main lessons you apparently learned is 1051 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:08,840 certainly exposed quite well in your 1052 00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,090 book difficult people a gateway to 1053 00:50:16,420 --> 00:50:13,520 enlightenment so this was one of I 1054 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:16,430 believe you would say your major lessons 1055 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:19,970 from from your experiences so difficult 1056 00:50:24,970 --> 00:50:22,730 people a gateway to enlightenment one of 1057 00:50:27,130 --> 00:50:24,980 one of your books one of your later 1058 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:27,140 books I don't know which comes last 1059 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:29,570 above and beyond or difficult people but 1060 00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,370 could you speak a little bit about the 1061 00:50:36,970 --> 00:50:33,920 the lessons you learned that brought you 1062 00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:36,980 to difficult people yes it was the place 1063 00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:39,680 where i was in my growth from what I now 1064 00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:43,550 understand of caring for a woman with 1065 00:50:48,550 --> 00:50:46,790 Alzheimer's disease and caring for her 1066 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:48,560 through the end of her life was so 1067 00:50:52,510 --> 00:50:51,050 challenging and so difficult that I you 1068 00:50:54,940 --> 00:50:52,520 know that I had called 1069 00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,950 the experience to myself because at the 1070 00:50:58,450 --> 00:50:56,480 time I was actually looking for 1071 00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,460 spiritual teacher interestingly enough I 1072 00:51:03,070 --> 00:51:00,800 was ready to you know move to India or 1073 00:51:04,810 --> 00:51:03,080 live in an ashram or go to some place 1074 00:51:07,780 --> 00:51:04,820 where you know you had to kind of 1075 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:07,790 meditate and not talk for for a month 1076 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:11,330 and interestingly in me my prayers were 1077 00:51:17,490 --> 00:51:14,930 so you know deeply felt and I was also 1078 00:51:20,260 --> 00:51:17,500 longing to really kind of develop myself 1079 00:51:23,650 --> 00:51:20,270 next thing I knew I was I had a job 1080 00:51:26,350 --> 00:51:23,660 caring for a very difficult one and what 1081 00:51:29,260 --> 00:51:26,360 I found was it that was more potentially 1082 00:51:31,330 --> 00:51:29,270 enlightening than any any possible 1083 00:51:33,970 --> 00:51:31,340 awesome I could have gone to and you 1084 00:51:35,770 --> 00:51:33,980 know and kind of sequestered myself away 1085 00:51:39,070 --> 00:51:35,780 from the brewery and concerns of the 1086 00:51:43,450 --> 00:51:39,080 world and so in my experience I became 1087 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:43,460 so aware of the goals of my soul and I 1088 00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:45,770 think that this is available for all of 1089 00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:49,280 us as we kind of behold really 1090 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:51,710 challenging circumstances if we can step 1091 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:54,170 back enough to see what the soul of 1092 00:51:58,300 --> 00:51:56,090 ourselves is up to what the goals of the 1093 00:52:00,880 --> 00:51:58,310 soul are up to what we're trying to 1094 00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:00,890 learn then we recognize that not only it 1095 00:52:07,870 --> 00:52:04,240 is is it incumbent upon us to face our 1096 00:52:11,980 --> 00:52:07,880 struggles with courage and dignity and 1097 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:11,990 and kind of enthusiasm but that to bail 1098 00:52:17,620 --> 00:52:13,850 out of it whether it's through suicide 1099 00:52:21,790 --> 00:52:17,630 or using you know drugs or alcohol or 1100 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:21,800 substances in order to numb ourselves we 1101 00:52:26,050 --> 00:52:23,690 really are selling ourselves short and 1102 00:52:30,820 --> 00:52:26,060 and by the way that's one of the reasons 1103 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:30,830 why certain certain Souls do have the 1104 00:52:35,380 --> 00:52:33,530 amnesia listed and why we may be seeing 1105 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:35,390 more of that on the on the planet where 1106 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:38,090 the amnesia is listing more a little bit 1107 00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:41,570 more you know globally to some degree 1108 00:52:46,510 --> 00:52:43,790 because when you're talking about a 1109 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:46,520 world population that is numbed out from 1110 00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:49,490 either pharmaceutical drugs alcohol or 1111 00:52:54,610 --> 00:52:52,880 or or any other substance when you're 1112 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:54,620 talking about a greater and greater 1113 00:53:00,190 --> 00:52:56,330 percentage of the world population that 1114 00:53:02,740 --> 00:53:00,200 are numbed out maybe those individuals 1115 00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:02,750 become stuck in their growth and when it 1116 00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:04,910 becomes so significant you know the 1117 00:53:08,460 --> 00:53:06,400 spiritual realm see 1118 00:53:11,069 --> 00:53:08,470 that and it's important that is a 1119 00:53:14,430 --> 00:53:11,079 species we move forward in our growth 1120 00:53:15,870 --> 00:53:14,440 because it's true planet Earth is one of 1121 00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:15,880 the most difficult if not the most 1122 00:53:20,670 --> 00:53:18,609 difficult places to incarnate because 1123 00:53:23,609 --> 00:53:20,680 it's a it's a it's a planet of duality 1124 00:53:25,890 --> 00:53:23,619 meaning not the typical duality that 1125 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:25,900 we're speaking about in you know in 1126 00:53:32,849 --> 00:53:29,890 eastern thought but rather we have both 1127 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:32,859 physical challenges and we have mental 1128 00:53:38,099 --> 00:53:35,410 challenges and many planets places of 1129 00:53:41,309 --> 00:53:38,109 incarnation only have one one or the 1130 00:53:43,049 --> 00:53:41,319 other we have both and we have both you 1131 00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:43,059 know simultaneously and concurrent 1132 00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:46,529 concurrently and you know unrelentingly 1133 00:53:51,870 --> 00:53:49,750 so you know from birth until death we 1134 00:53:53,930 --> 00:53:51,880 have these opportunities in which we're 1135 00:53:56,789 --> 00:53:53,940 experiencing physical challenges and 1136 00:54:01,490 --> 00:53:56,799 emotional and mental challenges and it 1137 00:54:05,609 --> 00:54:01,500 is well challenging yes yes I'd say so 1138 00:54:08,279 --> 00:54:05,619 I'd say it's very challenging and the 1139 00:54:12,289 --> 00:54:08,289 duality and that mirrors the duality 1140 00:54:15,690 --> 00:54:12,299 between the materialists and the 1141 00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:15,700 consciousness folks it's a similar do 1142 00:54:23,069 --> 00:54:20,049 ality yes so is there anything else you 1143 00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:23,079 would like to tell us about the the 1144 00:54:27,779 --> 00:54:25,390 difficult people and and what you've 1145 00:54:29,819 --> 00:54:27,789 learned there before we because we're 1146 00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:29,829 just at about an hour now but we want to 1147 00:54:33,630 --> 00:54:32,049 give you full measure of your time since 1148 00:54:36,450 --> 00:54:33,640 you've been so interesting and wonderful 1149 00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,460 to come on our show well thank you i 1150 00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,319 think you know i can only speak to what 1151 00:54:42,660 --> 00:54:40,000 interests me and maybe interest others 1152 00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:42,670 too is it the difficult people point of 1153 00:54:47,029 --> 00:54:45,250 view meaning yes we have a difficult 1154 00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:47,039 situation we have difficult people and 1155 00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:50,740 you know to a global extent when we seal 1156 00:54:54,539 --> 00:54:52,329 this great grief because we've got 1157 00:54:57,870 --> 00:54:54,549 terrorists and we've got you know a 1158 00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,880 menace amount of homeless people who you 1159 00:55:02,670 --> 00:54:59,680 know how do we help the homeless and all 1160 00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:02,680 the questions that we often ask we can 1161 00:55:08,730 --> 00:55:05,670 better understand the nature of life 1162 00:55:12,029 --> 00:55:08,740 when we look at the nature of the soul 1163 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:12,039 and so what I've seen in from what I've 1164 00:55:17,819 --> 00:55:15,010 been taught and from what I know is that 1165 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:17,829 you know there are there are stages of 1166 00:55:21,620 --> 00:55:19,290 development for 1167 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:21,630 in car nating soul and it's all playing 1168 00:55:26,270 --> 00:55:24,450 out right here on the planet and so 1169 00:55:31,450 --> 00:55:26,280 naturally we are going to necessarily 1170 00:55:34,340 --> 00:55:31,460 come up against the goals and activities 1171 00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:34,350 characteristic of a young immature soul 1172 00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:38,750 and the same with a little bit more 1173 00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:41,880 advancing soul or more precisely more 1174 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:45,000 mature mature soles and those of more 1175 00:55:49,460 --> 00:55:47,130 advanced tools and so how those 1176 00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:49,470 different Souls live their life is 1177 00:55:54,590 --> 00:55:51,570 always characteristic of where they are 1178 00:55:57,380 --> 00:55:54,600 their own development and we know the 1179 00:55:59,570 --> 00:55:57,390 characteristics of a beginning soul an 1180 00:56:02,180 --> 00:55:59,580 intermediate soul and advanced soul in 1181 00:56:05,570 --> 00:56:02,190 my opinion every problem becomes 1182 00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:05,580 solvable because when we really identify 1183 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:08,070 those characteristics then we know what 1184 00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,330 we're dealing with we know what we have 1185 00:56:14,990 --> 00:56:11,520 and we know how to do with it so for 1186 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:15,000 example a young soul you can tell quite 1187 00:56:20,090 --> 00:56:17,090 often not all the time but quite often 1188 00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:20,100 the characters are there there tend to 1189 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:25,520 be more you're striving for supremacy 1190 00:56:31,610 --> 00:56:28,890 supremacy there is more bickering they 1191 00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:31,620 hold the idea that love and trust only 1192 00:56:35,570 --> 00:56:33,900 bring hurt so their heart you know the 1193 00:56:37,820 --> 00:56:35,580 heart is closed their heart chakra is 1194 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:37,830 closed they also because of their 1195 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:40,410 relatives immaturity spiritually they 1196 00:56:45,020 --> 00:56:42,450 regularly engage in self-deception they 1197 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:45,030 can't be aware of their of self 1198 00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,010 motivations because they're not that 1199 00:56:51,350 --> 00:56:48,960 mature yet just like a kindergartner is 1200 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:51,360 not that mature yet they can't exhibit 1201 00:56:57,110 --> 00:56:54,330 much self-awareness and so when we look 1202 00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,120 at the more maturing soul they're 1203 00:57:01,730 --> 00:56:59,040 starting to have a higher adaptability 1204 00:57:04,250 --> 00:57:01,740 to change you know they're more willing 1205 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:04,260 to start to help people they're more 1206 00:57:10,580 --> 00:57:06,930 able to find solutions to problems 1207 00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,590 unlike the young soul not able to find 1208 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:13,440 solutions to problems hard change is 1209 00:57:18,740 --> 00:57:16,530 hard for them and then we also also 1210 00:57:21,410 --> 00:57:18,750 always recognize the more advancing soul 1211 00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:21,420 the mother teresa's the beings who are 1212 00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:23,940 putting their practical spirituality to 1213 00:57:28,810 --> 00:57:26,880 actually use their not isolating you 1214 00:57:32,490 --> 00:57:28,820 know they're not staying away from 1215 00:57:34,650 --> 00:57:32,500 relationships and and communicating 1216 00:57:37,170 --> 00:57:34,660 and the messiness of life they're right 1217 00:57:39,450 --> 00:57:37,180 in there you know the right in them and 1218 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:39,460 they're helping the people who are most 1219 00:57:43,550 --> 00:57:41,890 affected by the movers and shakers of 1220 00:57:46,350 --> 00:57:43,560 the world rather than for example 1221 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:46,360 preferring to only help the movers and 1222 00:57:50,850 --> 00:57:48,850 shakers of the world themselves and so 1223 00:57:53,730 --> 00:57:50,860 and their their reference is more 1224 00:57:55,380 --> 00:57:53,740 outward you know they're able to 1225 00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:55,390 interpret the struggles of their life 1226 00:58:01,740 --> 00:57:58,450 and use it to benefit others and so when 1227 00:58:03,930 --> 00:58:01,750 we are able to see people who upset us 1228 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:03,940 and behold people who are upsetting us 1229 00:58:10,260 --> 00:58:07,530 and we can recognize the relative 1230 00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,270 beginning miss their relatives spiritual 1231 00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:12,640 immaturity it makes all the difference 1232 00:58:17,730 --> 00:58:15,520 because it helps us to comprehend the 1233 00:58:19,950 --> 00:58:17,740 cycles of life the cycle that's 1234 00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:19,960 happening on planet Earth the relative 1235 00:58:26,130 --> 00:58:24,190 suffering it in relation to the joy for 1236 00:58:29,340 --> 00:58:26,140 me that's where the power is because 1237 00:58:33,060 --> 00:58:29,350 everything makes sense what that's 1238 00:58:35,580 --> 00:58:33,070 that's great i would say I I can't 1239 00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:35,590 imagine adding anything to that I think 1240 00:58:41,820 --> 00:58:38,200 it sums it up terrifically I do too and 1241 00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:41,830 and once again reset thank you very much 1242 00:58:50,130 --> 00:58:45,910 for being on our show today and this 1243 00:58:52,980 --> 00:58:50,140 podcast will live on on the internet for 1244 00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:52,990 quite a while so our life to perhaps 1245 00:58:58,860 --> 00:58:57,040 have its own life so we're going to say 1246 00:59:02,460 --> 00:58:58,870 goodbye to you now with great 1247 00:59:05,070 --> 00:59:02,470 appreciation and gratitude and we're 1248 00:59:08,490 --> 00:59:05,080 going to discuss the contest that we are 1249 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:08,500 about to embark upon with your books 1250 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:11,770 that you have so so generously provided 1251 00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,290 thank you so much yea and perhaps the 1252 00:59:19,260 --> 00:59:16,720 winner of the contest it's funny how 1253 00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:19,270 there's so much serendipity will be 1254 00:59:24,660 --> 00:59:22,630 encouraged by those books to also shed 1255 00:59:28,830 --> 00:59:24,670 some light on other people's pass as 1256 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:28,840 funny isn't it yes sir is yeah thank you 1257 00:59:33,150 --> 00:59:30,730 for having me it was my pleasure always 1258 00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:33,160 wonderful thank you so much thanks again 1259 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:36,430 so that was Lisa at larkin author of 1260 00:59:44,790 --> 00:59:40,770 five books and she is going to be 1261 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:44,800 gifting us with three sets of three 1262 00:59:50,010 --> 00:59:45,730 books 1263 00:59:53,370 --> 00:59:50,020 each for our lucky winners chosen up or 1264 00:59:56,820 --> 00:59:53,380 you undeveloped souls yes well what I'd 1265 01:00:00,480 --> 00:59:56,830 like to do first is to make note of 1266 01:00:05,010 --> 01:00:00,490 people that have made comments or ready 1267 01:00:07,590 --> 01:00:05,020 and then explain the contest I see is 1268 01:00:10,260 --> 01:00:07,600 that good cake that's go okay okay so we 1269 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:10,270 go shut up reality podcast you wanna 1270 01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:13,690 drum roll but the wishes to express its 1271 01:00:19,020 --> 01:00:16,000 thanks and gratitude to our listeners 1272 01:00:21,660 --> 01:00:19,030 all our listeners but today we are 1273 01:00:24,060 --> 01:00:21,670 giving a special thanks to some of our 1274 01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:24,070 listeners who are brave and have made 1275 01:00:32,330 --> 01:00:27,119 comments they are Jerry and Roxanne 1276 01:00:37,140 --> 01:00:32,340 Susan Shaw Bobby torque ova Diane bansal 1277 01:00:42,030 --> 01:00:37,150 Rob Freeman David coffin iconic Kevin 1278 01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:42,040 Peter Jeffries Bob be Susan smiley jolly 1279 01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:45,280 mystic Mary I like that one Eddie 1280 01:00:55,590 --> 01:00:50,910 Thornton Ellen SJ Jim spyker Earl Voss 1281 01:01:00,000 --> 01:00:55,600 Matthew see well from the great old free 1282 01:01:03,420 --> 01:01:00,010 Britain Jim price nurse Nancy bill 1283 01:01:06,330 --> 01:01:03,430 Vandenberg Kevin Hester Catherine 1284 01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:06,340 Thompson and Suzi Brown and in addition 1285 01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:09,550 we are also sending special greetings 1286 01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:12,609 and thanks to robert friedman and beth 1287 01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:16,240 hines of rainbow ridge books who are the 1288 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:19,500 publishers of these lizette Larkins 1289 01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:22,210 tomes I don't know palmas exact right 1290 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:25,119 word so how does one win this contest 1291 01:01:32,670 --> 01:01:28,930 okay so listen up and listen carefully 1292 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:32,680 we are looking for commenters here on 1293 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:35,890 shattered reality podcast now there are 1294 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:38,770 various places where shattered reality 1295 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:42,730 podcast can be downloaded as such as 1296 01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:47,650 stitcher radio and YouTube and several 1297 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:52,000 other sites but but there are only two 1298 01:01:57,810 --> 01:01:55,090 places where you can make comments and 1299 01:01:59,579 --> 01:01:57,820 be in the contest you can make comments 1300 01:02:01,380 --> 01:01:59,589 on the other places and will be very 1301 01:02:05,759 --> 01:02:01,390 happy about that too and we'll we'll 1302 01:02:08,249 --> 01:02:05,769 even answer I always do but the two 1303 01:02:10,979 --> 01:02:08,259 places where you can make a comment 1304 01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:10,989 about this particular show and this 1305 01:02:21,180 --> 01:02:17,920 particular broadcast are at ww shattered 1306 01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:21,190 reality podcast calm which is our main 1307 01:02:28,739 --> 01:02:26,249 site and shattered reality podcast dot 1308 01:02:32,370 --> 01:02:28,749 wordpress.com which is our sort of 1309 01:02:35,180 --> 01:02:32,380 mirror site and so those are the two 1310 01:02:39,229 --> 01:02:35,190 places I'm going to repeat it again 1311 01:02:44,819 --> 01:02:39,239 shattered reality podcast.com and 1312 01:02:46,799 --> 01:02:44,829 shattered reality podcast wordpress com 1313 01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:46,809 those are the only two places not on 1314 01:02:53,130 --> 01:02:49,089 Facebook not on YouTube not on stitcher 1315 01:02:55,799 --> 01:02:53,140 radio but those two places so who's 1316 01:02:58,769 --> 01:02:55,809 going to decide the comment you and me 1317 01:03:00,660 --> 01:02:58,779 oh okay well we'll let they'll have a 1318 01:03:02,849 --> 01:03:00,670 look times i squish you look bill 1319 01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:02,859 because that's sort of an impartial view 1320 01:03:10,410 --> 01:03:06,400 yes yes I we also of course thank our 1321 01:03:13,319 --> 01:03:10,420 wonderful audio engineer bill and in the 1322 01:03:14,999 --> 01:03:13,329 winner again will receive three well 1323 01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:15,009 there's going to be three winners okay 1324 01:03:20,969 --> 01:03:17,380 they're going it's the number three the 1325 01:03:25,469 --> 01:03:20,979 magic number three three winners will 1326 01:03:27,809 --> 01:03:25,479 receive three three books okay do they 1327 01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:27,819 select it no real select no we're going 1328 01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:29,410 to another we're going to send them to 1329 01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:32,079 the three books of all beyond each of 1330 01:03:37,620 --> 01:03:35,430 their local people and talking to 1331 01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:37,630 extraterrestrials Oh everybody's going 1332 01:03:41,999 --> 01:03:39,609 to fight for you probably so I believe 1333 01:03:44,190 --> 01:03:42,009 that is the case in toto then it'd be 1334 01:03:46,259 --> 01:03:44,200 nine books nine books are being given 1335 01:03:50,089 --> 01:03:46,269 out to three people so what we're 1336 01:03:53,940 --> 01:03:50,099 looking for is the most interesting 1337 01:03:57,630 --> 01:03:53,950 commenting on this show with Lisette 1338 01:04:01,469 --> 01:03:57,640 Larkins which is number 36 and you will 1339 01:04:03,180 --> 01:04:01,479 have one month right to make these 1340 01:04:06,569 --> 01:04:03,190 comments from the time that we're 1341 01:04:12,269 --> 01:04:06,579 recording them so we will be announcing 1342 01:04:13,329 --> 01:04:12,279 the winners on our not our next show but 1343 01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:13,339 our second 1344 01:04:18,339 --> 01:04:16,130 so not the next shall we record but the 1345 01:04:21,249 --> 01:04:18,349 one following that because if all goes 1346 01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:21,259 according to plan we will be recording 1347 01:04:27,269 --> 01:04:24,319 our next show in two weeks and and then 1348 01:04:32,650 --> 01:04:27,279 the one following that two weeks after 1349 01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:32,660 so amongst our guest upcoming we do have 1350 01:04:38,739 --> 01:04:35,839 either hair h er are I don't know if she 1351 01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:38,749 pronounces it her or hair and the German 1352 01:04:45,940 --> 01:04:43,910 manner and we have our d6 killer Clark 1353 01:04:50,009 --> 01:04:45,950 coming up in about a month and a half 1354 01:04:52,809 --> 01:04:50,019 was written a lot about star people and 1355 01:04:56,829 --> 01:04:52,819 experiences of Native Americans over the 1356 01:04:59,069 --> 01:04:56,839 course of of time from Alaska down to 1357 01:05:02,440 --> 01:04:59,079 South America and their experiences with 1358 01:05:05,799 --> 01:05:02,450 aliens so we're on a woman kick and a 1359 01:05:09,459 --> 01:05:05,809 UFO kick here okay sounds good to me so 1360 01:05:13,479 --> 01:05:09,469 please make a comment at shattered 1361 01:05:16,269 --> 01:05:13,489 reality podcast calm on this particular 1362 01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:16,279 podcast we we welcome all comments on 1363 01:05:20,829 --> 01:05:18,710 mall or podcasts but if you want to win 1364 01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:20,839 the books you got to make it on on the 1365 01:05:26,709 --> 01:05:24,319 number 36 Lisette Larkins pirate podcast 1366 01:05:30,309 --> 01:05:26,719 I'd love to hear with people comment on 1367 01:05:32,499 --> 01:05:30,319 this too okay okay yes and I kissa 1368 01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:32,509 Tipton I think so is there anything else 1369 01:05:37,630 --> 01:05:35,119 we're free and independent broadcasting 1370 01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:37,640 not the mainstream media non-commercial 1371 01:05:42,910 --> 01:05:39,710 free and independent i right no 1372 01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:42,920 political talk here uh-uh unless it's 1373 01:05:58,220 --> 01:05:48,079 from the inter life ok ok look ok so I